Predictika · Greenheck style commercial fan system quotes: fan, damper, coating, use, environment, airflow, pressure, temperature and discount

A sales agent's commercial fan system quote, checked before it goes to the contractor

A sales quoting assistant puts together a commercial fan system quote for a contractor: the fan, the damper, the coating, how the fan will be used and where, the airflow, pressure and air temperature, the quantity and the discount, with a net total. Before the quote goes out, the assistant sends it to Predictika's validator, which checks the whole quote against the product and pricing rules together and reports every problem it finds in one pass.

Scope: Greenheck style commercial fan system quotes in US dollars: roof exhaust, inline, upblast kitchen and tubeaxial fans, four damper choices and three coatings, with the use, the environment, the airflow, pressure and temperature, the quantity, discounts and the net total the agent states. Built by Predictika from general public knowledge; not affiliated with Greenheck. Every price, limit and percentage is an estimate. See everything this validator covers

This validator checks any fan system quote made of these fans, dampers and coatings, not just the scenarios shown below.

  • Fans and dampers — roof exhaust, inline, upblast kitchen and tubeaxial fans, each with its own airflow, pressure and temperature limits, and no damper, backdraft, combination fire smoke or motorized control dampers with their own airflow ratings.
  • Kitchen exhaust — only a grease listed fan may serve a kitchen grease exhaust, and no fire smoke damper may sit in a grease exhaust duct.
  • Fire and corrosion — a fire rated damper where the code requires one, and a coating whose corrosion resistance meets the environment: standard, coastal or chemical.
  • Quantity and size — 1 to 50 units on one quote, an application engineering review for an engineered airflow and pressure, and a deal desk review above USD 150,000.
  • Discounts — volume and extra discounts added together, approval by a sales director above 12 percent, and a block above 20 percent.
  • The stated net total — the net total the agent states must match the net total the validator computes.

Any quote that touches these rules is in scope, not only the scenarios pictured here. Not checked: other fan models and accessories, real list prices and contracts, taxes and freight, fan curves and acoustic data, or installation.

The sales quoting assistantAssembles the fan system quote from the contractor's request and says it is ready to send.
Predictika validatorChecks every rule at once and returns the verdict, each finding, and the computed figures.

7 scenarios in 3 groups · each group runs from the agent’s first attempt to the outcome · click one to switch

What the agent proposes

The sales quoting assistant says

Illustrative agent statement. The validator receives the structured request below.

Proposing agent: sales quoting assistant (scripted)

Before sending, the agent must call Recorded run

Predictika validator


      
Waiting for the call.

Where a rules-based quoting tool gets this wrong

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Our assessment of what a typical rules-based quoting tool (one rule per field, each limit checked on its own) does with the same cases. It is a judgment about effort and reliability, not a claim that nothing can be built.

What the validator caughtA rules-based quoting toolPredictika
Airflow, pressure and temperature against two sets of limitsOnly with care
Each fan and each damper has its own limits that must be kept in step with the catalog, and a quote has to pass both.
The limits are data; the fan and the damper are checked together and every finding arrives together.
Kitchen grease exhaust rulesOnly with workarounds
Rules that combine the use, the fan listing and the damper type multiply with every new fan or damper.
The rules read the use, the fan and the damper together.
Fire damper and corrosion requirementsOnly with care
A required fire rated damper and a coating that must match the environment are separate rules per combination.
The requirement and the choice are in the same request and checked together.
Volume and extra discounts added up against one limitOnly with workarounds
Discounts from different sources have to be summed before the limit and approval tiers apply.
The total is calculated once and the limit and approval tiers use it.
The total the agent statesOnly with workarounds
Comparing a stated total with a computed one means a separate rule per quote layout, and price rules rarely run on stated figures.
The stated net total is a field in the request and is checked against the computed total.
Every problem returned in one answerOnly with workarounds
Rules tend to fire as the quote is saved, so a rep often fixes one error and meets the next.
All findings come back together, whatever order the choices arrived in.

What this validator catches: findings from its test cases

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Every rule is checked on every call, in any order the choices arrive; one problem never hides another. Blocking findings stop the quote; approval findings need a person to sign off; everything else is computed.

1The airflow, static pressure and air temperature must be within the limits of the fan.
2Only a grease listed fan may serve a kitchen grease exhaust.
3A combination fire smoke damper may not be used in a kitchen grease exhaust duct.
4The airflow must be within the rating of the damper.
5Where the code requires a fire rated damper, the damper chosen must be fire rated.
6The coating must have a corrosion resistance that meets the environment: standard, coastal or chemical.
7One quote covers 1 to 50 units.
8An engineered airflow or static pressure needs an application engineering review.
9Volume and extra discounts add up; above 12 percent in total a sales director must approve, and 20 percent is the limit.
10A project value above USD 150,000 needs a deal desk review.
11The net total the agent states must match the net total the validator computes within USD 1.

Scenarios and results

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The recorded result of the validator for each scenario on this page: the request the AI agent sent, the verdict, and every finding, in the order they appear above.

1. Kitchen exhaust: A tubeaxial fan with a fire damper on a kitchen grease exhaust

The agent's request. Please check this quote for Ridgeline Mechanical: 4 tubeaxial fans, each with a combination fire smoke damper and standard enamel finish, for kitchen use in a standard environment, 9000 CFM at 100 hundredths of an inch of static pressure and air at 160 degrees F, and a net total of USD 17,000. It is ready to send to the contractor.

Verdict: Blocked.

  • Air temperature over the fan limit. Air at 160 degrees F exceeds the 140 degree limit of the Tubeaxial fan.
  • Fan not listed for grease exhaust. The Tubeaxial fan is not listed for kitchen grease exhaust.
  • Airflow over the damper rating. 9000 CFM exceeds the 8000 CFM rating of the Combination fire smoke damper.
  • Damper in a grease exhaust duct. A damper is not allowed in a kitchen grease exhaust duct; the Combination fire smoke damper is selected.
  • Estimated price. Estimated price: USD 17000.0 total for 4 fan systems; USD 4250.0 per system with damper and coating; USD 17000.0 before discount; 0 percent total discount.

2. Kitchen exhaust: The agent resubmits after fixing the errors

The agent's request. Please check this quote for Ridgeline Mechanical: 4 upblast kitchen exhaust fans, each with a combination fire smoke damper and standard enamel finish, for kitchen use in a standard environment, 4000 CFM at 150 hundredths of an inch of static pressure and air at 200 degrees F, and a net total of USD 20,200. The fan is now an upblast kitchen fan. It is ready to send to the contractor.

Verdict: Blocked.

  • Damper in a grease exhaust duct. A damper is not allowed in a kitchen grease exhaust duct; the Combination fire smoke damper is selected.
  • Estimated price. Estimated price: USD 20200.0 total for 4 fan systems; USD 5050.0 per system with damper and coating; USD 20200.0 before discount; 0 percent total discount.

3. Kitchen exhaust: The agent resubmits after fixing the errors

The agent's request. Please check this quote for Ridgeline Mechanical: 2 upblast kitchen exhaust fans, each with no damper and standard enamel finish, for kitchen use in a standard environment, 4500 CFM at 150 hundredths of an inch of static pressure and air at 200 degrees F, and a net total of USD 7,200. The damper has been removed. It is ready to send to the contractor.

Verdict: Allowed.

  • Estimated price. Estimated price: USD 7200.0 total for 2 fan systems; USD 3600.0 per system with damper and coating; USD 7200.0 before discount; 0 percent total discount.

4. Stated net total: A stated net total above the computed total

The agent's request. Please check this quote for Harborside Industrial Supply: 8 tubeaxial fans, each with a motorized control damper and epoxy coating, for general use in a coastal environment, 9000 CFM at 80 hundredths of an inch of static pressure and air at 80 degrees F, and a net total of USD 36,995.20. It is ready to send to the contractor.

Verdict: Blocked.

  • Stated net total does not match. The quoted net total of USD 36995.2 does not match the USD 33632.0 the validator computed.
  • Estimated price. Estimated price: USD 33632.0 total for 8 fan systems; USD 4204.0 per system with damper and coating; USD 33632.0 before discount; 0 percent total discount.

5. Stated net total: The agent resubmits after fixing the errors

The agent's request. Please check this quote for Harborside Industrial Supply: 8 tubeaxial fans, each with a motorized control damper and epoxy coating, for general use in a coastal environment, 9000 CFM at 80 hundredths of an inch of static pressure and air at 80 degrees F, and a net total of USD 33,632. The net total has been corrected. It is ready to send to the contractor.

Verdict: Allowed.

  • Estimated price. Estimated price: USD 33632.0 total for 8 fan systems; USD 4204.0 per system with damper and coating; USD 33632.0 before discount; 0 percent total discount.

6. Fire damper: A fire rated damper is required but a backdraft damper is chosen

The agent's request. Please check this quote for Summit Building Services: 4 roof exhaust fans, each with a backdraft damper and standard enamel finish, for general use in a standard environment, where the code requires a fire rated damper, 6000 CFM at 100 hundredths of an inch of static pressure and air at 80 degrees F, and a net total of USD 11,000. It is ready to send to the contractor.

Verdict: Blocked.

  • Fire rated damper required. A fire rated damper is required at this penetration; the Backdraft damper is not fire rated.
  • Estimated price. Estimated price: USD 11000.0 total for 4 fan systems; USD 2750.0 per system with damper and coating; USD 11000.0 before discount; 0 percent total discount.

7. Fire damper: The agent resubmits after fixing the errors

The agent's request. Please check this quote for Summit Building Services: 4 roof exhaust fans, each with a combination fire smoke damper and standard enamel finish, for general use in a standard environment, where the code requires a fire rated damper, 6000 CFM at 100 hundredths of an inch of static pressure and air at 80 degrees F, and a net total of USD 15,400. The damper has been changed. It is ready to send to the contractor.

Verdict: Allowed.

  • Estimated price. Estimated price: USD 15400.0 total for 4 fan systems; USD 3850.0 per system with damper and coating; USD 15400.0 before discount; 0 percent total discount.

Narration transcript

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The text of the narrated walkthrough, step by step.

  1. Welcome to a demo of Predictika's Validator. A sales quoting assistant puts together a commercial fan system quote for a contractor: the fan, the damper, the coating, and more. Before the quote goes out, the assistant sends it to Predictika's validator, which checks the whole quote against the product and pricing rules together and reports every problem it finds in one pass.
  2. I will start with the first request by the agent.
  3. The agent says. Please check this quote for Ridgeline Mechanical: 4 tubeaxial fans, each with a combination fire smoke damper and standard enamel finish. It is ready to send to the contractor. The rest of the request is on screen.
  4. Before it goes out, the agent calls the validator.
  5. Blocked, with four findings, all in one answer. Air at 160 degrees F exceeds the 140 degree limit of the tubeaxial fan. The tubeaxial fan is not listed for kitchen grease exhaust. 9000 CFM exceeds the 8000 CFM rating of the combination fire smoke damper. The other one is on screen.
  6. The validator returned four blocking findings in one answer. A check that reads one field at a time would pass most of this; it shows only when the choices in the quote are checked against each other.
  7. What this shows: for kitchen grease exhaust rules, a rules-based quoting tool can do this only with workarounds.
  8. Now the agent resubmits.
  9. The corrected request. It changes the fan to upblast kitchen exhaust fan, the airflow to 4,000 CFM, the static pressure to 150 hundredths of an inch, the air temperature to 200 F and the net total stated by the agent to USD 20,200.
  10. It calls the validator again.
  11. Still blocked, with one finding, all in one answer. A damper is not allowed in a kitchen grease exhaust duct; the combination fire smoke damper is selected.
  12. Three findings cleared. Still blocking: damper in a grease exhaust duct.
  13. The agent resubmits once more.
  14. The revised request. It changes the damper to no damper, the airflow to 4,500 CFM, the units to 2 and the net total stated by the agent to USD 7,200.
  15. It calls the validator once more.
  16. This time the validator clears it.
  17. The earlier finding is cleared.
  18. Four problems caught in one call, fixed in two passes, and a clean quote. That is the value of Predictika's validator: catching mistakes before they reach the customer. Now you can try the other scenarios yourself.