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An AI sales agent's bagging machine quote, checked before it goes out

An AI sales agent prepares a quote for a rotating bagging machine: valve-bag or tubular-film series, filling module, number of spouts, sealing, dosing, deaeration, filter, bag applicator and digital options, a discount and a total. Before it goes out, the agent sends it to Predictika, which checks it against a declarative model of the machine and ordering rules and returns a verdict, every reason and the figures it computed.

Scope: ROTO-PACKER bagging machines: the RV series for valve bags and the RS series for tubular film, with filling modules VT, VL, ST and SL, SEAL, ROTO-LOCK, RADIMAT, filters and QUAT2RO options. See everything this validator covers

This validator models ROTO-PACKER bagging machine quotes, not just the scenarios shown below. Prices, order-size discount limits and several rule groups are typical rather than published (marked with an asterisk).

  • Series and modules — RV series for valve bags (VT turbine and VL air modules, up to 16 spouts) and RS series for tubular film (ST and SL modules, up to 10 spouts).
  • Machine options — SEAL ultrasonic valve sealing, ROTO-LOCK dosing on the turbine module, vibrating or vacuum deaeration rod on the film series, ROTO Adjust bag saddles, and the filter (top-mounted, bag or high-performance compact stand).
  • Bag applicator and digital options — RADIMAT NC and HC for valve bags; QUAT2RO Monitoring, Scan, Remote and Analytics.
  • Output, price and terms — spouts, required bags an hour against machine capacity, bag weight*, a typical price build-up*, discount authority by order size*, and the stated capacity and stated total compared with what the validator computes.

Any ROTO-PACKER quote that touches these rules is in scope — not only the scenarios pictured here. Not covered: other HAVER & BOECKER machines, plants and screening products, open-mouth bagging, spare parts and service. All prices are typical estimates in euros, not a HAVER & BOECKER price list; see the fine print at the end of the page.

The AI sales agentBuilds the bagging machine quote from the conversation and says it is ready.
Predictika validatorChecks every rule at once and returns the verdict, each finding, and the computed figures.

7 scenarios in 3 groups · each group runs from the agent’s first attempt to the outcome · click one to switch

What the agent proposes

The AI sales agent says

Illustrative agent statement. The validator receives the structured request below.

Proposing agent: AI sales agent (scripted)

Before sending, the agent must call Recorded run

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Where rules-based CPQ gets it wrong
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Our assessment of what a typical rules-based CPQ (product rules, price rules and validation rules, as in Salesforce CPQ) does with the same cases. It is a judgment about effort and reliability, not a claim that nothing can be built.

    
What the validator caughtTypical rules-based CPQPredictika
Modules that belong to one series (VT and VL for valve bags, ST and SL for film)Only with care
A product rule per module and series works, but every new module or series adds rules to maintain.		Series and module are in one request and each pairing is checked together.
Output the machine can actually pack (spouts times rate per spout)Only with workarounds
The required bags an hour is usually a note on the quote, not a field a rule can compare with a computed capacity.		Required output and computed capacity travel together; the validator blocks when the line needs more than the machine packs.
SEAL needing a bag with a sealable valve, ROTO-LOCK only on the turbine moduleOnly with care
Each is a pairwise option rule; it works, but the bag type has to be captured as a field first.		Bag type, module and options are in one request and checked together.
RADIMAT NC versus HC by output, and RADIMAT only for valve bagsOnly with workarounds
The speed threshold lives in the product sheet, so reps pick the version by hand.		The required output is checked against the version chosen on every call.
A stated capacity and total that must match the configurationOnly with care
A stated figure is a free-entry field; a rule can compare it with a computed total, but someone has to write and maintain that comparison.		The stated figures travel with the quote and are compared with the computed ones on every call.
Every problem returned in one answerOnly with workarounds
Rules tend to fire as the quote is saved or a step is completed, so a rep often fixes one error and meets the next.		All findings come back together, whatever order the choices arrived in.

  

  

    
What this validator catches: findings from its test cases
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Every rule is checked on every call, in any order the choices arrive; one problem never hides another. Blocking findings stop the quote; approval findings need a person to sign off; everything else is computed.

    
1The line needs 4,050 bags an hour, which is 90 percent or more of the 4,500 the machine packs; a person should confirm the duty margin.
2The line needs 4,600 bags an hour and the selected machine packs up to 4,500.
3The RV series for valve bags takes the VT and VL filling modules and the RS series for tubular film takes the ST and SL modules; the quote pairs a module with the wrong series.
418 filling spouts is not available on this series; the RV series has 6 to 16 spouts in steps of 2 and the RS series has 4 to 10.
57 filling spouts is not available on this series; the RV series has 6 to 16 spouts in steps of 2 and the RS series has 4 to 10.
612 filling spouts is not available on this series; the RV series has 6 to 16 spouts in steps of 2 and the RS series has 4 to 10.
7The RS series packs into formed film bags from tubular film, and the quote asks for a paper or woven bag.
8A bag weight of 55 kg is outside the range of this series (valve bags 10 to 50 kg, film bags 5 to 30 kg).
9A bag weight of 35 kg is outside the range of this series (valve bags 10 to 50 kg, film bags 5 to 30 kg).
10The SEAL ultrasonic sealing unit welds the valve of a valve bag, and the RS series fills tubular film bags with no valve.
11SEAL welds the bag valve ultrasonically and needs a bag with a specially designed valve, and the quote has an ordinary valve bag.
12The ROTO-LOCK dosing system is an option of the turbine (T) module VT, and the quote combines it with another module.
13The RS modules are equipped with either a vibrating rod or a vacuum rod, and the quote has neither.
14Vibrating and vacuum rods belong to the RS film modules, and the quote adds one to an RV valve-bag machine.
15ROTO Adjust sets the bag saddle heights of a valve-bag machine, and the quote adds it to the RS film series.
16The RADIMAT applicator places valve bags on filling spouts, and the RS series fills film bags.
17The RADIMAT NC (nominal power) version covers up to 3,000 bags an hour and the line needs 3,600; the HC (high power) version is needed.
18A top-mounted filter suits machines of up to 12 spouts, and the quote has 14 spouts.
19QUAT2RO Analytics works on the data that QUAT2RO Monitoring collects, and the quote has no Monitoring.
20The quote has 0 machines.
21A discount of 25 percent is deeper than any sales authority allows.
22A discount of 12 percent is above the 8 percent that this order size allows without sign-off.
23An order for 4 machines is a project order that needs commercial sign-off.
24The quote states a capacity of 5,000 bags an hour, and the selected machine packs up to 4,500.
25The quote states a total of EUR 3,643,201.00, and the configuration prices to EUR 3,643,200.00.

  

  

    
Scenarios and results
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The recorded result of the validator for each scenario on this page: the request the AI agent sent, the verdict, and every finding, in the order they appear above.

    
1. Cement valve-bag line: A 16-spout RV order with output above capacity, SEAL with an ordinary bag and a slow RADIMAT

    
The agent's request. Please quote 3 ROTO-PACKER RV series (valve bags) with 16 filling spouts and the VT filling module, packing woven PP valve bags of 25 kg at 6,500 bags an hour, with ROTO-LOCK dosing, SEAL ultrasonic sealing, a bag filter, the RADIMAT NC, ROTO Adjust and QUAT2RO Monitoring and Scan. Discount is 8 percent and the total is EUR 7,402,320.00. It is ready to send.

    
Verdict: Blocked.

    
    
      
  • Required output above machine capacity. The line needs 6,500 bags an hour and the selected machine packs up to 6,000.
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  • SEAL needs a bag with a sealable valve. SEAL welds the bag valve ultrasonically and needs a bag with a specially designed valve, and the quote has an ordinary valve bag.
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  • RADIMAT NC is too slow for this output. The RADIMAT NC (nominal power) version covers up to 3,000 bags an hour and the line needs 6,500; the HC (high power) version is needed.
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2. Cement valve-bag line: The agent resubmits after fixing the errors

    
The agent's request. Please quote 3 ROTO-PACKER RV series (valve bags) with 16 filling spouts and the VT filling module, packing woven PP valve bags of 25 kg at 5,200 bags an hour, with ROTO-LOCK dosing, SEAL ultrasonic sealing with sealable valve bags, a bag filter, the RADIMAT HC, ROTO Adjust and QUAT2RO Monitoring and Scan. Discount is 8 percent and the total is EUR 7,623,120.00. It is ready to send.

    
Verdict: Allowed.

    
    
      
  • Order summary. 3 machine(s); the selected machine packs up to 6,000 bags an hour; estimated total EUR 7,623,120.00 at typical list prices.
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3. Building-products film line: An RS film order with paper bags, no rod, ROTO Adjust and RADIMAT

    
The agent's request. Please quote 2 ROTO-PACKER RS series (tubular film) with 10 filling spouts and the ST filling module, packing paper valve bags of 20 kg at 1,000 bags an hour, with a bag filter, the RADIMAT NC, ROTO Adjust and QUAT2RO Monitoring and Analytics. The machine packs up to 1,200 bags an hour. Discount is 8 percent and the total is EUR 3,212,640.00. It is ready to send.

    
Verdict: Blocked.

    
    
      
  • Tubular film series needs film bags. The RS series packs into formed film bags from tubular film, and the quote asks for a paper or woven bag.
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  • Film series needs a deaeration rod. The RS modules are equipped with either a vibrating rod or a vacuum rod, and the quote has neither.
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  • ROTO Adjust is for valve bag saddles. ROTO Adjust sets the bag saddle heights of a valve-bag machine, and the quote adds it to the RS film series.
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  • RADIMAT places valve bags only. The RADIMAT applicator places valve bags on filling spouts, and the RS series fills film bags.
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4. Building-products film line: The agent resubmits after fixing the errors

    
The agent's request. Please quote 2 ROTO-PACKER RS series (tubular film) with 10 filling spouts and the ST filling module, packing film bags of 20 kg at 1,000 bags an hour, with a vacuum rod, a bag filter, the RADIMAT NC, ROTO Adjust and QUAT2RO Monitoring and Analytics. The machine packs up to 1,200 bags an hour. Discount is 8 percent and the total is EUR 3,415,040.00. It is ready to send.

    
Verdict: Blocked.

    
    
      
  • ROTO Adjust is for valve bag saddles. ROTO Adjust sets the bag saddle heights of a valve-bag machine, and the quote adds it to the RS film series.
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  • RADIMAT places valve bags only. The RADIMAT applicator places valve bags on filling spouts, and the RS series fills film bags.
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5. Building-products film line: The agent resubmits after fixing the errors

    
The agent's request. Please quote 2 ROTO-PACKER RS series (tubular film) with 10 filling spouts and the ST filling module, packing film bags of 20 kg at 1,000 bags an hour, with a vacuum rod, a bag filter and QUAT2RO Monitoring and Analytics. The machine packs up to 1,200 bags an hour. Discount is 8 percent and the total is EUR 2,848,320.00. It is ready to send.

    
Verdict: Allowed.

    
    
      
  • Order summary. 2 machine(s); the selected machine packs up to 1,200 bags an hour; estimated total EUR 2,848,320.00 at typical list prices.
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6. Chemicals plant order: A VL order with a deep discount and Analytics without Monitoring

    
The agent's request. Please quote 3 ROTO-PACKER RV series (valve bags) with 8 filling spouts and the VL filling module, packing paper valve bags of 20 kg at 2,000 bags an hour, with a bag filter, the RADIMAT NC, ROTO Adjust and QUAT2RO Analytics. The machine packs up to 3,000 bags an hour. Discount is 25 percent and the total is EUR 3,210,750.00. It is ready to send.

    
Verdict: Blocked.

    
    
      
  • Analytics needs Monitoring. QUAT2RO Analytics works on the data that QUAT2RO Monitoring collects, and the quote has no Monitoring.
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  • Discount deeper than allowed. A discount of 25 percent is deeper than any sales authority allows.
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7. Chemicals plant order: The agent resubmits after fixing the errors

    
The agent's request. Please quote 3 ROTO-PACKER RV series (valve bags) with 8 filling spouts and the VL filling module, packing paper valve bags of 20 kg at 2,000 bags an hour, with a bag filter, the RADIMAT NC, ROTO Adjust and QUAT2RO Monitoring and Analytics. The machine packs up to 3,000 bags an hour. Discount is 12 percent and the total is EUR 3,814,800.00. It is ready to send.

    
Verdict: Needs approval.

    
    
      
  • Discount above the sales authority. A discount of 12 percent is above the 8 percent that this order size allows without sign-off.
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  • Order summary. 3 machine(s); the selected machine packs up to 3,000 bags an hour; estimated total EUR 3,814,800.00 at typical list prices.
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Narration transcript
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The text of the narrated walkthrough, step by step.

    
    
      
  1. Welcome to a demo of Predictika's Validator. An AI sales agent prepares a quote for a rotating bagging machine: valve-bag or tubular-film series, filling module, number of spouts, and more. Before it goes out, the agent sends it to Predictika, which checks it against a declarative model of the machine and ordering rules and returns a verdict, every reason and the figures it computed.
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  2. I will start with the first request by the agent.
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  3. The agent says. Please quote 2 ROTO-PACKER RS series (tubular film) with 10 filling spouts and the ST filling module, packing paper valve bags of 20 kg at 1,000 bags an hour. The machine packs up to 1,200 bags an hour. The rest of the request is on screen. Discount is 8 percent and the total is EUR 3,212,640.00.
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  4. Before it goes out, the agent calls the validator.
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  5. Blocked, with four findings, all in one answer. The RS series packs into formed film bags from tubular film, and the quote asks for a paper or woven bag. The RS modules are equipped with either a vibrating rod or a vacuum rod, and the quote has neither. ROTO Adjust sets the bag saddle heights of a valve-bag machine, and the quote adds it to the RS film series. The other one is on screen.
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  6. The validator returned four blocking findings in one answer. A check that reads one field at a time would pass most of this; it shows only when the choices in the quote are checked against each other.
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  7. What this shows: for modules that belong to one series (VT and VL for valve bags, ST and SL for film), a rules-based CPQ is error-prone for this.
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  8. Now the agent resubmits.
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  9. The corrected request. It changes the bag type to film bags, the deaeration rod to Vacuum Rod and the stated total to 3,415,040.00.
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  10. It calls the validator again.
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  11. Still blocked, with two findings, all in one answer. ROTO Adjust sets the bag saddle heights of a valve-bag machine, and the quote adds it to the RS film series. The RADIMAT applicator places valve bags on filling spouts, and the RS series fills film bags.
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  12. Two findings cleared. Still blocking: ROTO Adjust is for valve bag saddles and RADIMAT places valve bags only.
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  13. The agent resubmits once more.
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  14. The revised request. It changes the RADIMAT to none, the ROTO Adjust to not included and the stated total to 2,848,320.00.
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  15. It calls the validator once more.
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  16. This time the validator clears it.
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  17. The validator also returns the line-item quote, on screen.
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  18. Both earlier findings are cleared, and the validator's total, EUR 2,848,320.00, matches the quote.
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  19. Four problems caught in one call, fixed in two passes, and a clean quote. That is the value of Predictika's validator: catching mistakes before they reach the customer. Now you can try the other scenarios yourself.
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